by Don Park
at 2003/07/17 16:38:46
I just read On Identity and Edits by Shelly Powers, author of Practical RDF, which talks about blog editing problems and policies. It's a good post that examplifies how Shelly thinks. The part that shocked me was this:
In an earlier version of the "Thanks for the E-Mails" posting, he wrote that the campaign against him was organized by "an alcoholic, a representative of BigCo and a 16 year old kid".
This excerpt from a response to Shelly's post illustrates how I felt:
"Now, I’ve heard that Dave Winer called Mark an alcoholic and Mark’s recent post about not drinking suddenly clicks into place. Oh Boy! I’m actually quite annoyed by Dave Winer now."
Comments
Don: I don't really care about the "BigCo" and "sixteen" swipes... they were unnecessary, but nothing to get worked up about. I'm sure Sam likes his job, and Aaron will only be sixteen for one all-too-short year of his life.
Roger, I agree completely.
Ironically, Don, I can tell from my RSS reader that this post changed after I downloaded your feed. :-)
Yes, it did Scott. I toned it down because it was too harsh. I am into 'eye for an eye' as much as the next guy, but not when there is a good chance of childish exchange breaking out.
All these Emporers and not a stitch of clothing to be found...
So, now you've got the loop closed. I'm glad I deleted it too. It was actually an intermediate edit, the first version didn't have it. Mark said things about me that were unflattering and untrue, before I said that, and frankly I think sometimes the stuff he does is a result of alchoholism, but I don't know for sure. I was raised by an alchoholic so I think I know it when I see it. And Sam does work for a BigCo and it's relevant, and I think Aaron has the personality of a sixteen year old.
Hey Don, why the double standard? Isn't that pause for thought?
[From DW's blog] " On Don Park's site someone calls me an emperor with no clothes. There's a disconnect that I would like to correct. I am not an emperor, I am a person. You will see mistakes here because I am human. This is not a major discovery. I see them too.
Dave: You've done many good things. You will undoubtedly do many more, in what I hope will be a long, healthy life. But your comment about Mark was (at best) spiteful, childish, and hurtful. Your attempt to cover up a very public mistake without an associated public apology was underhanded.
The problem is not that a little personality leaks out. It's that you ruthlessly edit your little personality quirks and try to deny them later. It's only when third parties catch you on them (like they did here) that you are big enough to admit what you wrote (and thought).
So now Don starts learning why people despise Winer's behavior. Surprise, surprise Don.
Hey Mark, what about all the changes you made on your site to remove the nasty bits about me? I remember an hour or so when every url on your site was redirected to a hate-gram about me. Too bad I didn't take a screen shot. How about reposting that?
Dave, you're like the Ann Coulter of the blogging world. Hmm, Mark might be too. I haven't made up my mind.
Pfft, at least Ann Coulter's got looks going for her.
Mark: "And you all fell for it. Bravo."
Wrong. The validator did nothing of the sort and it's a LIE to say so. WW was hardly anything slimy, if it is that's only because of utter drek it caught Winer posting and deleting.
Sheesh, what is wrong with you people? Everyone has good sides and bad sides and there is a battleground in everyone's head. I fight with myself everyday which is why I 'taint' myself with the claim that I have double standards. Heck, double? More like a ten thousand.
BTW, I just read Shelley's piece, and something clicked wrong for Shelley. Mark wrote the bit about being a recovered alchoholic before I wrote my bit. He wasn't responding to me. To say she's annoyed with me is an understatement. I am her number one foil for her flames. To her I appear to be an amalgam of Jimmy Hoffa, The Godfather, Benito Mussolini and Hugh Hefner.
Dave, if you can't see the difference between "I'm a recovering alcoholic" and "sheesh, why can't you people see that I'm being harassed by an alcoholic, a Bigco, and a teenager", then I don't know how to help you.
Words are magic. Words are silly putty. Take a bit here, take a bit there.
If all the energy that was being poured into these battles was poured into development instead, I think this whole blog media movement would be a lot farther along.
Well said, Richard. Well said.
Oh, one more thing while I am at it. I am also guilty of Sunday tabloid-style titles. I guess I have a streak of snake-oil salesmanship in me.
Hey Bill,
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