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I wonder what Jeff Bezos would say about this. Above picture is of a DVD on sale at Amazon Japan. Apparently, it features a 12 year old girl (my chinese is rusty but I recognize the age character next to 12) wearing what appears to be a thong. I know there were some controversies over whether underage girls should be allowed to wear thongs in America and some probably do but, as far as I know, no one is selling DVD of them posing erotically. It may be legal in Japan but it's disturbing nonetheless to see America's close ally pushing their obsession with kawaii so far.

According to a recent informal street poll of japanese men, more than 90% admitted to having some attraction to underage teenage girls, 5% to preteen. When is it too late for a society to right itself? When should a foreign country interfere and at what level?

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While it may take a while for Japanese society to wake up to itself, companies such as Amazon could take the lead by refusing to stock material such as this. And it's not just Amazon either - a quick search reveals that this DVD is also carried by large retailers such as Kinokuniya and Ito-Yokado (parent of 7-11). By the way, is there a similar problem in Korea with this sort of stuff or are the laws stricter?
Both Korean law and culture is much stricter. As to why, heavy Confucious education, strong Buddhist/Christian religious activities, and strong bias against eccentric behavior in Korea.
Don, I am unsure what connection you see with kawaii.
There is basically no way that girl is 12 years old, or anywhere NEAR twelve years old. It is very common for companies to market their girls as being underaged even though they are not. Is it right? Not really, but it's porn so trying to play the right/wrong advocate fails here.

Point is, that girl looks 18+ or at the VERY least 16+. You guys sure have strange images of what a 12 year old looks like.
For the question on when should foreign country interfere, my answer would be 'Never'. It is another country, everyone needs to mind their own business.
i guess everyone missed the US anonymous poll where over 50% ppl admited it (male and female). oh and i think u should all leave other countries alone...this is what starts wars, budding it on other countries ways of doing things
hory lil bastard   at 2007/08/03 01:38:34 PM
id stick it in there!
woww she is hot
I LIKE TO FUCK HER NOW FOR ONE DAY AND I WILL PAY HER $100 TO HAVE SEX WITH HER
Por Dios y estos Japoneses Hijos de De gran Puta les quieren dar armas nucleares!!!esa sociedad esta enferma, dicen que es liberal pero creo que confunden una sociedad solo hecha para el hombre, ya ven el grave problema que tienen del ENJO KOSEI
y digame donde esta la Union Europea y la Unicef, porque nadie hace nada al respecto, simple! Japon es una Super Potencia economica y a Europa y a Naciones Unidas la da miedo hacer algo al respecto...pero para destruir Irak Los cerdos Ingleses y Ojetes Españoles estaban en primera fila.
De verdad damos asco como seres humanos,a todos nos vale madres y nadie hace nada ni hara.
Hoye data no confundas lo que es la sociedad, de hecho la sociedad es solo una creencia si ha eyos les gusta no tiene por que molestarte, de hecho hay hombres que se besan en algunos paises y no por eso lo consideran nada malo, no sabes ni lo que es la sociedad hasi que caya.
El yaqui de nogales   at 2007/09/21 02:00:01 PM
Para que empiezemos a comprender lo que pasa aqui esque el apetito para el sexo lla no llena al ser-humano. Osea que el unico proposito para el sexo y el ser-humano era como el animal para reprodusir. Ahora, al tener que reproducir sentimos sensaciones en el alma,mente,cuerpo, y otras partez. Pero las sensacines son tan frequentez que la sensacion del alma ya no lo siente el ser-humano busca lo que le falta en los extremos. Homosexualidad,pedofelia con ninos,con animales,con frutas,violencia y espantos. Si la persona tiene que llegar a estos extremos para ser satisfasido sexualmente entonces a que consultar con nuestro creador porque nuestras almas estan en peligro y si le podemos hacer dano al alma y a la mente y con puro cuerpo ni ser-humanos somos! Amor hermanos en la tierra y con salud del alma y mente el cuerpo sera feliz.
El yaqui de nogales   at 2007/09/21 02:48:16 PM
Let me translate. What we see here is this. We need to understand that ower only purpose,like with animals, to have sex was to reproduce. What is so beautiful and amazing is that man-kinde was givin something special, with us ther are sensations in the body,minde, and soul and other places in the process of resproduction The sensations have been so frequent that man-kinds sexual intoxiction an over dose has numbed the sensation in the soul, so this creature looks for what is numbed in the extremes in way of homosexuality, pedo-philia,sex with animals,vegtebles, violance and ghosts. Or a mixture of them. I say that if man-kinde needs to refference such extremes then there is an overdose of,then i say that such being need seek to consult with his creator to finde what is missing and to consult with the creator becaouse his minde and soul can be in danger and with no soul or minde we are hardly human,animal like. god made us with the reasoning to live like eather animals or angels. Love to all u.
El yaqui de nogales   at 2007/09/21 02:48:30 PM
Let me translate. What we see here is this. We need to understand that ower only purpose,like with animals, to have sex was to reproduce. What is so beautiful and amazing is that man-kinde was givin something special, with us ther are sensations in the body,minde, and soul and other places in the process of resproduction The sensations have been so frequent that man-kinds sexual intoxiction an over dose has numbed the sensation in the soul, so this creature looks for what is numbed in the extremes in way of homosexuality, pedo-philia,sex with animals,vegtebles, violance and ghosts. Or a mixture of them. I say that if man-kinde needs to refference such extremes then there is an overdose of,then i say that such being need seek to consult with his creator to finde what is missing and to consult with the creator becaouse his minde and soul can be in danger and with no soul or minde we are hardly human,animal like. god made us with the reasoning to live like eather animals or angels. Love to all u.
zero consequenses   at 2007/09/23 10:56:49 AM
claro que si hay que buscar a ese creador que nos limita, aquel que nos dice que tenemos que hacer, que tenemos que tomar, que tenemos que comer, que tenemos que mirar y que nos obliga a amarlo potque si no estaremos perdidos, no importanto que salvemos naciones del hambre, no importando las verdaderas buenas acciones que hagamos, si no creemos en él nos hacen creer que estamos fuera, ese creador que fue utilizado por los grandes líderez para dominar naciones teniendola en la ignoarancia para que seu fanatismo no tenga limite. ese creador que si eres su siervo no te deja hacer nada, pero si eres su burdo mensajero ,llamese obispo o papa,puedes recurrir a los placeres mas bajos de la carne y disponer del dinero de la gente ignorante sin tener que levantar un dedo y solo diciendo un mismo choro cada domingo... por esto y muchas cosas mas "estoy de acuerdo contigo yanqui de nogales"
that looks like a rather cool movie.
In fact, around 70% of the world's men would admit (anonymously of course) having some attraction for underage girls. Japan is NOT and exception. Japan is in line with normality.
Maybe the other "right" countries should think about revising their view on normality...
don i agree with kozue she is clearly older and can you honestly say you have never seen a 15 year old walking a round
in some cute little get up and at least part of you didn't went to have some fun. secondly confucious said nothing againist young women. lastly I doubt that "strong christian religious activities" have anything to do with it because the bible mentions sevral underage brides and unlike some catholic
preists the Japanese are looking at little girls not touching little boys.
and scott Amazon is out to make money. If what they are selling is legal where they are selling it and people are willing to pay for it then god bless the whole thing. it's called capitalism you pinko
and scott Amazon is out to make money. If what they are selling is legal where they are selling it and people are willing to pay for it then god bless the whole thing. it's called capitalism you pinko
that looks old... to western ppl she may look underage, but in reality she looks more than 18. asians tends look younger :p
man i would butt fuck the girl if she is 12 or not you cat say you wouldnt.
BlackOps   at 2008/01/15 08:57:48 PM
As an American, I am a strong interventionist. However, as things are now we should not intervene militarily but through economic and diplomatic pressure (although i doubt the Japanese government could actually do very much).

But if it ever reaches the point where they try to 'buy' girls from other countries for this stuff or actually becomes real child porn, then I would feel justified using the military. Stopping short of nuclear weapons, of course. We already did that to them twice.
BlackOps   at 2008/01/15 09:04:01 PM
On the note of nuclear weapons, I'm saving one for Josa's house (read his comment above).
Really, the US is soo very wrapped up in sexual repression.
The rest of the planet figured out a long time ago that
women and girls are beautiful to behold. The US is very frightened that someone might think a young lady is sexually aluring, yet we we have more truely disturbing porn sites than any where else. Things that are very preverse and dangerous. Yet, a young girls body is what everyone is worried about. There are lots of places that nudity is considered normal and the human body viewed as lovely and not something to be affraid of. Might also mention these counties have the lowest problems with sex offenses. The US has spun out of control. I'm not abdicating child porn, but if pictures keep pedophiles at home, isn't everyone else safer in their little bubble?
pedo file   at 2008/01/22 08:48:51 PM
hot!
Okay, I am against pornography in general. As such, I do have issues with stuff like this. Seems a little silly quite frankly. Still, this forum brings up an interesting question, should the US intervene in how Japan sells this stuff so freely.

Here is my take. Governments should not be involved in issues like this, except to the extent that they are to protect the rights of the girls who are being taken advantage of. It however is not the government's job to moderate what people do. These industries don't run on the pocket change of the "few perverts" out there. Instead they are multi million dollar corporations funded by the fact that a good majority of men, whether they admit it or not are affected by it.

Now, on another note, let it be said that the american fixation with the fact that 18 somehow became the magical number that the world is supposed to adhere to for how old an adult is, and thus appropriate sexual age is. Rome I believe was around 15, Jewish religion went by 13 for a long time, most cultures historically have been in the 15-17 age. Even in the US, technically by the statistics, 15ish is the age in our country as well, as in many surveys it has been found that a good percent of teens around 15 claim to have been sexual active.

The real issue is in age splits, not generic age. I have no issue with a 15 and 17 year old [minus the outside of wedlock aspect], I have little issue with a 17 and 20... I have major issues with a 30 and 15, just as I am weirded out, though grant that legally there is no issue, with a 40 and 60.

The key is what is culturally appropriate. In american, this kind of stuff is culturally inappropriate [though 12 has been for most all cultures]. However, it is not america's place to step in and declare that modern american culture is the infallable truth of what is right and wrong.

So, that is my take.
RightHanded   at 2008/02/13 10:35:48 PM
I agree with Jake completely. But Mike does have some good points too.
in fact if you Knew anything mr.don park than you would know the age character was in fact telling you how Many girls where in the video hence forth you should really learn what you ready and see with you eye's.. in the old ways it was common for men to have girls between the age's of 12 17 that was in fact a sign of how rich and powerful you where. in the case of america we are all up tight little pukes who think every country should adhere to what we think and say.when in fact america is the one country that is out off place among this world.
we all should take lessons to what other country's do for if we did that we as people of america could most likely advance in this world. we are yes the strongest nation but we lack in the department of policing what the people here in america do or should i say over police what people do. mike was right about other country's having the lowest sexual offenses. in fact thy have the lowest of any offenses of anything compared to america.
is it right that people do stuff like this. its not for me or any one else to say all we can say is in fact that it dose make us sick to see such things. but then again we are more uptight than any other country at that.
Angels Blade   at 2008/02/19 04:31:39 AM
in fact if you Knew anything mr.don park than you would know the age character was in fact telling you how Many girls where in the video hence forth you should really learn what you ready and see with you eye's.. in the old ways it was common for men to have girls between the age's of 12 17 that was in fact a sign of how rich and powerful you where. in the case of america we are all up tight little pukes who think every country should adhere to what we think and say.when in fact america is the one country that is out off place among this world.
we all should take lessons to what other country's do for if we did that we as people of america could most likely advance in this world. we are yes the strongest nation but we lack in the department of policing what the people here in america do or should i say over police what people do. mike was right about other country's having the lowest sexual offenses. in fact thy have the lowest of any offenses of anything compared to america.
is it right that people do stuff like this. its not for me or any one else to say all we can say is in fact that it dose make us sick to see such things. but then again we are more uptight than any other country at that.
Are you sure that number 12 does refer to this DVD as being the 12th in a series? She looks pretty old to be twelve.
TerrawindX2   at 2008/03/01 06:46:26 AM
You really should get someone to translate this PROPERLY for you before you jump to ridiculous conclusions.

It looks more to me like VOLUME 12, not the age.

For your information, Japan has STRICT LAWS regarding underage children, and underage sex is only allowed to be depicted in animation and manga. Even so, it is illegal to portray REAL children in compromising situations in Japan.

Take note, I believe the Japanese would prefer animated lolicon than real ones.

You should study more about Japan before spreading false messages about the country.

Oh, and by the way, 12 year old asians look MUCH younger than that. That's because their growth rate isn't the same as Americans. 12 year old americans look like 17 year old asians. 12 year old Asians look like 7 year old americans.

Ingorance is bliss. But in this case it's inexcusable.
you should realize that other countries think of the US or similar countries as why won't they do that? cause their girls are ugly perhaps at a younger age
culture is different
same thing is why are people religious when there is no need to be
or why are people religious if they should be
it's all culture on a scale of personal to national
each person and country won't be the exact same
this is a normal thing for them
just like not drinking milk and eating pizza together is something for us
you should realize that other countries think of the US or similar countries as why won't they do that? cause their girls are ugly perhaps at a younger age
culture is different
same thing is why are people religious when there is no need to be
or why are people religious if they should be
it's all culture on a scale of personal to national
each person and country won't be the exact same
this is a normal thing for them
just like not drinking milk and eating pizza together is something for us
i dont know about japan,but in america,most "girls" are young women by the time they are 12. pubic hair,breasts,and menstration dont wait until 18. puberty should be the main base for readiness...
Hmm, why is there a swatstika for my ID. Anyway, DUDE...She's totally 18.
Jesse Caroompas   at 2008/03/15 01:48:09 AM
When will anybody here wake up!? If the "underage" girl consents, then what's the problem? In the Old Days, 13 was the year that girls became women, and were often either married off to some rich person or sold into prostitution. I don't understand why we have to be so uptight about it. When girls reach puberty, they're going to want to learn more, and if they didn't know beforehand what sex was, then they'll learn on their own, and will use magazines, male pornstars, and the like to get their information.

If you ask me, they should be given the choice. Teenagers aren't children anymore, and their actions are now dependent on how much of a bubble their parents kept them in when they were little. The less they know, the more risks they'll take.

If I ever have a daughter, she'll know what sex is when she's 5, and will know all about it, including prostitution, STDs, and any other "bad" things about it, as well as the good. No storks bringing babies for her. And no bubble of "protection" for them, either, boy or girl. From the start, they'll know the hardships of life, as well as their rewards. Something I never had...
rock1toc   at 2008/03/16 05:55:59 PM
Don, you really do need to get your facts straight but the discussion it brought up is relavant. One message wanted to nuke the country because of a bad translation. How many stupid mistakes does it take for Americans to realize that we don't run the market on cultural rightness. An old adogy said that once there was a missionary that went to a tribe of canibals and was appauled at the way they ate their dead and made every effort to change their tribal rituals. What the missionary failed to realize was how appauled the tribe was at the disrespect this intruder had for his dead my letting worms, bacteria and decay direpect their dead. I don't think any girl should be forced to become sexually active and find no thrill of seeing an old man doing a child but like many others have pointed out before our children de-evolved to the level that they are at, 14 was considered an old maid. Girls in the last century had responsibility that our children would find impossible to deal with starting with the loss of employment after a genious decided that children could not be a contributing member of society until a random age that I have no idea where it came from. I saw an article the other day of a little girl that started reading at 12 months old, will she have to wait till 16 to become useful to society. Our country in their need for a cause has corrupted too many normal behaviors in other cultures. Maybe we should learn how to understand the reality of a situation before we engage the subject.
I am a parent of three (3) little boys and despite my gender, i feel it horribly wrong to exploit underage persons regardless of their 'true' age. If you have a nubile 18yo with a baby-face that (with a little spin) could pass for 12, it does not matter about the legalities for she is still being 'sold' as a minor. Either way, it is wrong. Now show me a 25yo in the same outfit, well....
pedofelia
actually while reading this article i agree with most of your feelings on this issue it should definatly not be allowed. however even if an american were to buy this movie they'd be unable to watch it seeing as dvds come with region codes and a dvd with the region code 1 (North America) would not be viewable on dvd players created and distributed to other parts of the world.
emmanuel   at 2008/03/29 02:25:38 PM
Hello!!. my name is emmanuel.i know you may daought but please don't daought I just want to be future friend with you because by the time I saw you picture I just know that you are my future friend.And please don't forget to write back to me and tell me if you agree or not.Please don't disagree to be my future friend.When writng back to me please don't forget to send me you picture. BYE MY FUTURE FRIEND HAVE A NICE DAY DREAM. AND ALSO DREAM ABOUT ME
come on, i'm a 15 years old girl and i don't mind posing for eroctic photographs... infact i do pose nude for my boyfriend
Far Away Angel   at 2008/04/05 12:53:59 AM
You may or may not agree with them, but What make you think you have any right to interfere with their life and culture ?
Although this is most likely an image of someone much older than 12 (I say this looking at her face) I disagree with some of the comments about the sexual freedom of 12 year olds. NOT ALL 12 year olds reach puberty if thats anything to go by.Many of my pals reached puberty at 14...so if any of u say it depends on puberty thats a pretty vague factor for judgement on what the cut off age for sex would be.15 and 16 sound more sensible... 12yrs and in some cases 9 or 7yrs being the object of sexual desire for quite a few people japan or otherwise is plain sick I've seen cases where 1 year old babies are shown as objects of sexual fantasy in a few anime games. Harmless imagination eh? why cant the japanese government keep it at 10 (the least they can do)for lolicon porn?? I dont see how wonderful and uprighteous it is that people are given the freedom to fantasize about children and babies.Japan has its fair share of sexual crimes try googling that.Stop making it seem like a country of saints
Although this is most likely an image of someone much older than 12 (I say this looking at her face) I disagree with some of the comments about the sexual freedom of 12 year olds. NOT ALL 12 year olds reach puberty if thats anything to go by.Many of my pals reached puberty at 14...so if any of u say it depends on puberty thats a pretty vague factor for judgement on what the cut off age for sex would be.15 and 16 sound more sensible... 12yrs and in some cases 9 or 7yrs being the object of sexual desire for quite a few people japan or otherwise is plain sick I've seen cases where 1 year old babies are shown as objects of sexual fantasy in a few anime games. Harmless imagination eh? why cant the japanese government keep it at 10 (the least they can do)for lolicon porn?? I dont see how wonderful and uprighteous it is that people are given the freedom to fantasize about children and babies.Japan has its fair share of sexual crimes try googling that.Stop making it seem like a country of saints
Bukowski Rules   at 2008/05/01 02:40:00 PM
Hey Americans,

Instead of worrying if a PICTURE of a young girl is right or wrong depending on your puritannical view on sex in general...

Why don't you debate the mess of the war you guys created, fucking hypocrates.

Stick your "moral authority" where none of have to deal with it anymore.
The dvd says issue 12 not 12 yo. god you people have too vivid imaginations
jim lester   at 2008/05/28 05:37:48 PM
why dont you all GET A LIFE you fucking computer geek's, ya know get some sun maby go swimming or something but shit man just go and get a life and leave everyone else the hell alone you fucker's yours truly, jim lester.
Sociedad Judeo Cristina no hagan reir,culturas diferentes si como no!...vamos desde que se inventaron los pretextos se puede invadir cualquier nacion o pagar a niños por sexo la sociedad Japonesa tambien tiene preocupacion por lo sucedido el problema aqui es como siempre los involucrados y los interses creados, la pornografia infantil es un gran problema en Japon pues es el pais numero uno en pornografia infantil segun datos de unicef.
Pero como en todo problema social siempre estan los pasados de listos y los pederastas reprimidos que sacan sus discursos infundados de que es otra cultura, es de morirse de risa.
Para muestra mas que un boton aqui hay mucho pederasta que quiere envolvernos en sus muy astutas palabras y que es algo de lo mas normal.
Simon Sinaga   at 2008/06/17 10:09:39 PM
Japanese people are so sick. And now when the world going global, Japanese infecting many people accross the globe with japanese sick custom, one of them are lolicon thing. Yes, many people accross the glode are lolicon too, but never ever got 12 years old girls wearing bikini posing their body to the media like this.
Just 1 word to describe them : "SICK!!!".
Simon Sinaga   at 2008/06/17 10:10:44 PM
Japanese people are so sick. And now when the world going global, Japanese infecting many people accross the globe with japanese sick custom, one of them are lolicon thing. Yes, many people accross the glode are lolicon too, but never ever got 12 years old girls wearing bikini posing their body to the media like this.
Just 1 word to describe them : "SICK!!!".
This girls is 12, the picture is just small. I have seen the preview to this. She is clearly 12 and it's gross.
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